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Posted by ninjamuffin99 - 16 hours ago


greetings and merry xmas newgrounds


on my brain for a very long time has been advertisements. Something about ads that stick in my brain ever since I came across this little thing from Lichess.


https://twitter.com/ninja_muffin99/status/1108958859526205441


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In due time, unfortunately this post will become a bit hypocritical, as we will eventually publish FNF onto mobile, and that will very likely have a free ad supported version. Hopefully that doesn't undermine my thoughts too much, however FNF is more than just me and my brain! Not everything I say goes in terms of FNF decisions! So with all that being said, let me begin shouting about everything I hate about ads. 


I use adblocker on everything, and you should too. UBlock Origin has been my reliable go to. Online ads are especially an insidious breed. I'll try not to be some tinfoil hat, but I do often wonder what the internet would look like if the online ad model *wasn't* fruitful back in the early days of the internet. Would Facebook, Google, etc. have an arms race to the bottom to get infinite amounts of data on every single person ever? Would social media algorithms optimize for a different experience other than *spend as much time as possible on our site*? Ads have existed before Youtube, Google, internet though. They exist on TV, on subways and buses, on radio, in newspapers. I think for the most part my deep hatred of ads is for online kind, I do think there can be "irl" ads that I find very unpleasant. Going on a subway or sitting at a bus stop, I think people deserve more dignity from their city public transit than to have something sold to them! I don't think an ad free life should be only reserved for those who can pay for spotify premium, youtube red, etc. I think everyone should be entitled to that DIGNITY. 

X (the everything app, formerly Twitter ) has a Premium subscription that costs 10$/month (CAD), and they will only give you *half* the ads in your feed. How generous of them. I will be dramatic, and say that I look at ads with disgust. I hope to think I'm somewhat justified, as most ads look like dogshit, and are pretty worthless. 


For a very long time (and currently, as of writing/posting) FNF has been entirely ad free. We did stand up to putting it on other web portals that offer ads and ad payments/rev share, because we do somewhat want to be part of the change we'd like to see in the world. We want to believe in a world where someone can put out a free game on itch/newgrounds, and have the development be supported purely off donations (which FNF was supported by that in the early days / first 6 months of development!). We definitely could have made much MUCH more money if we put FNF on websites that offer ad rev share, but we didn't, and I hope that doesn't fall on deaf ears. 


However we do promote our own things from within the game, Kickstarter, merch, etc. I suppose I'm less upset or even thinking about that, I think there's a big difference if we had a lil Kickstarter trailer in-game that played, opposed to having an in-game advertisement for some fuckass mobile game or some cosmetics or somethin. We specifically are still curating what we are putting in the game with our lil links to merch, kickstarter, etc. 


We also provide the soundtrack on Spotify / streaming services, which do indeed get money from ads. I think I'm so detatched from Spotify ads and being angry at them, since I've been spotify premium user even at the brokest poorest in my life... i need them album downloads!!! I do think that's an aspect where there is an adfree alternative, which is Bandcmap, where you can listen to the FNF OST as much as you want, and if you pay some coin, you can download it in high quality! 


My thoughts on FNF mobile with ads is that they will make me very unhappy and deeply sad. I do sincerely apologize to those of you who would be unable to play FNF on anything other than a mobile device, and aren't able to get the full mobile version, so you become punished with ads. We do hope to not be obnoxious with mobile ads. If you have a computer, even a shitty busted one that runs slow, I personally hope you end up compiling the mobile version yourself to get past ads. The thought of that lets me rest easier just a little bit. The FNF will be proudly open source forever.


There will also be a paid version of FNF mobile, that will have no ads. Pay for that one if you please. 


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ublock origin? we have a person of taste!

My adblock doesn't block the ads for becoming a newgrounds supporter. But I'm glad we had some news from FNF.

My Opera GX have a adblock build inside website and I don't have to install an addon from their store

@Simoes1000 Funny story: I don't have an ad blocker, but I do have a tracker blocker, and I think it bespeaks the abysmal state of online advertising that it effectively functions as an ad blocker. You know what the only site is where ads aren't blocked? Newgrounds.

Hey man you wanna play my fuckass mobile game you get 500 free rolls with the code MUFFIN99

fuck ads, I dont put up with them. I don't know how people deal with vanilla internet, that shit is absolutely cancer.

It's a pity that FNF is not on Steam (I know that this topic was raised in the New Grounds community, so don't write to me once again that the FNF will not be on Steam)

eventually it will be steam :)

The serpent put ads in the Garden of Eden and Eve clicked :(

eve you bitch grrr…. god punished women by giving them periods and painful childbirths can i get an amen!

interestingly i have more than just one ad blocker extentions

The modern trend for mobile game ads is to make them optional to watch, but give the player a small reward if they do watch them, and have an in-app purchase that removes all ads and gives the rewards.
For EBF5 on mobile, most of my income is from in-app purchases, and the ads don't make much money at all - but maybe that's because I don't try very hard to make players watch them. But it also depends a lot on your audience I guess - a younger audience might be much more likely to watch ads than pay.
ANYWAY - my point is that you might make a enough money from in-app purchases that you won't have to push ads too hard. Making a free and paid version of an app is kinda old fashioned, but some apps still do it.

Ads are the absolute worst, but I wonder what the internet would look like without 'em

as a consumer, i don't mind non-intrusive ads. when i 1st found an ad blocker, i wasn't even looking for something to block the ads, just something to make those flashing animated ads pause their animations so they'd be less distracting. i even liked to play with those that had mini-games in them (until they begun to open pop-ups on a single click, that is).
i hope what matt suggested bellow works for FNF. what is annoying about ads isn't the ads themselves, but how they're presented. much like @DamnedByFate, my 2 main browsers don't use ad blockers, but the mere fact that they're blocking trackers is serving that function...
anyway, good luck there!

Amen. I'm actually a believer that ads aren't fundamentally wrong - I think if you have a good product, and are willing to put up your own money to get it exposed to more people, then that's fine as long as you really believe that your product has advantages, and the person running the ad agrees it's something worth knowing about. Alas that is mostly not the case, and an awful lot of advertising is not the "informing you of a new product" type, and is instead the "reminding you that arby's exists so you get a craving for arby's" type. (edit - or they are pitching some scammy gadget or browser extension, that makes it harder to tell when someone with a good product is being serious)
A few years ago I wrote a few posts about the pitfalls of advertising as a means of getting paid to do internet stuff. Because it seems relevant, here's something I just copy-pasted from https://emrox.newgrounds.com/news/post/1112999

" If someone pays $60 for a video game and it sucks, they'll feel pretty ripped off, and so there is a whole category of journalism dedicated to telling you whether or not a game is worth paying for. Same thing exists in film, literature, and music. This sort of thing doesn't exist in spaces of free content - save for "likes" there's no culture surrounding the evaluation of quality. Even though there should be! We are paying with our attention and our time, and my time is currently worth 15-19 USD an hour! "

(it's worth more now)

@ninjamuffin99 tell me how much it will cost so that I can start announcing a hunger strike in order to save up for it

I really hope Newgrounds gets more support in the future, this is the one social media site I genuinely enjoy using the site. and I'm definitely getting the paid version of FNF on Mobile, infact I'd do anything to pay you guys rather than use a free version.

I also hope you at the Funkin Crew are like, doing ok. Santa reviv this man